just cuz they don't have everything goin fer them yet doesnt mean they suck...do u even kno wut your talkin about wen your sayin this stuff about nims and hardy, what about Pat Perritt (b4 he was arrested), and Abbott, and Leveille, plus hopkins has a nasty defense, but i guess ur not a complete idiot cuz ur rite about there D...Panarelli is so overrated, he's a star wen he gets the one strip out of the millions that he goes for in a game and then gets burned, but seriously dude, u gotta have an arguement wen ur gonna say this stuff